• kagehi posted a new activity comment 3 years, 10 months ago

    Well, gosh, I changed my statement from “uncomfortable” to “morally repulsed by”.. I am so sorry for failing to be clear about it… What was you point again, because… it seemed to be accusing me of wanted to force feed others opinion, when my objection was that some people deny, with every method at their disposal, the existence of anyone with…[Read more]

  • kagehi posted a new activity comment 3 years, 10 months ago

    In fact, you still don’t get my meaning. I am not “uncomfortable” with people doing such a thing, I think its morally repugnant that they do so.

  • kagehi posted a new activity comment 3 years, 10 months ago

    I didn’t change my stance at all. You, right from the start, misinterpreted my meaning.

    • Kagehi, Feb 1: “Because of this, I have never been comfortable with any place that opted to delete someone else’s words,”

      Kahegi Feb 7: “I am not “uncomfortable” with people doing such a thing,”

      You bring considerable heft to an intellectual discussion Comrade Kagehi.

  • kagehi posted a new activity comment 3 years, 10 months ago

    Irrelevant. I didn’t even insinuate that you’re not the smartest person in the room, rather I inferred and wrote that you do, in fact, have a clue. What I suggested was that you’re asking for a world where you can shove your opinions on everybody, just like the Jesus guy.

    So.. You intentionally interpreted what I said in the worst possi…

    [Read more]

    • You’ve gone from my objection to this: “I have never been comfortable with any place that opted to delete someone else’s words, regardless of what those words are,” to saying I “intentionally interpreted what I said in the worst possible way you could,” even though every example I gave falls explicitly under the umbrella of your s…[Read more]

  • kagehi posted a new activity comment 3 years, 10 months ago

    Hmm. My own take on the whole gluten thing is – OK, we know there is a clear genetic disorder that causes problems. Only… we are only **just now** looking at some oddities that may arise as a result of differences in gut bacteria, so… there *is* a possible vector for additional sensitivity problems, related to the same class of foods, and it…[Read more]

    • Your entire first paragraph could describe aspartame just as readily as gluten. The only real difference is that gluten sensitivity has been given credibility (in some cases by those trying to cash in on the fad) while aspartame sensitivity is relegated to the fringes of Natural News.

      It’s all about perspective.

    • The sensitivity might actually be FODMAPS.

      I know a lot of people who have gone gluten free to treat an inflammatory condition of some kind but that could be anything from a person with a diagnosis like Crohn’s to a person who has decided on their own that their pain is caused by inflammation.

  • kagehi posted a new activity comment 3 years, 10 months ago

    Snort.. Yeah, real convenient for you – you have no F-ing clue, at all, what I know, or may have expertise on, where, or what I have ever posted, what sort of comments I normally make, or even if, other than in this one case, I would be in total agreement of you, but.. because I disagree with your absurd assertion that post deletions, especially…[Read more]

    • “you have no F-ing clue, at all, what I know, or may have expertise on…”

      Irrelevant. I didn’t even insinuate that you’re not the smartest person in the room, rather I inferred and wrote that you do, in fact, have a clue. What I suggested was that you’re asking for a world where you can shove your opinions on everybody, just like the Jesus…[Read more]

  • kagehi posted a new activity comment 3 years, 10 months ago

    Wow… See, I have no problem with banning someone who is persistently ranting, or posting irrelevant things, or disruptive, etc., as long as the “reason” they get banned is still there. My *problem*, and the reason I find a blanket deletion, or denial, of a person’s posts abhorent is that, yes, I am in the rather privileged position of actually…[Read more]

  • kagehi posted a new activity comment 3 years, 10 months ago

    Yep, you have every right to tell someone, “You may have free speech, but not on my lawn.” This, however, does not absolve you of the **responsibility**, nor does it suggest a strong sense of either ethics, or morals, if your method of handling someone who does show up to speak is to not merely tell them to leave, but to erase the existence of…[Read more]

    • In Australia, the situation is somewhat interesting. There are no rights to free speech enshrined anywhere; but there is a ‘freedom of expression’ that is somewhere in the law. But that ‘freedom of expression’ does not extend to issues of public order and public health.

      I not that familiar with the laws etc, but from what I understand no one…[Read more]

    • Sorry, but that position is total, privileged horseshit. If I have a space dedicated to what I believe/practice/etc. I am in no way responsible for holding up your entitled interpretation of what free speech means to you (namely that you have the right to blather about whatever you want wherever you darn well feel like).

      Suggesting that one’s…[Read more]

      • Wow… See, I have no problem with banning someone who is persistently ranting, or posting irrelevant things, or disruptive, etc., as long as the “reason” they get banned is still there. My *problem*, and the reason I find a blanket deletion, or denial, of a person’s posts abhorent is that, yes, I am in the rather privileged position of actually…[Read more]

      • Case in point, The Food Babe.

        Dare to disagree and your post will disappear but the “refutation” of your point will not. While technically not a violation of your freedom of speech it is most definitely unethical and cowardly cowardly to boot.

      • Yes, that’s double cowardly.

        Don’t know how that happened but I’m on my phone so…

      • Kagehi: “I am in the rather privileged position of actually having a clue, most of the time,”

        I’m sure you do, but so do most people who feel entitled to speak wherever and whenever they feel. I’m sure you and the crazy Jesus guys on Union Square (sf) can go back and forth all day over who actually is more entitled to spread the Clue, but all…[Read more]

      • mrmisconception: “Case in point, The Food Babe.”

        Another case in point: Anita Sarkeesian. Amanda Marcotte. These are women who for a variety of reasons moderate or disallow any discussion in their spaces because of the outrageous behavior of the posters who feel entitled to say whatever they want however they want. They’re also called…[Read more]

      • So, would it be ethical to remove poor reviews from your website? How about removing only reviews that would poorly affect your product or products that you like but not for those of competitors or those that you don’t like? Would it matter how big your website is? And if so where does the file drawer effect lie?

        Just trying to figure out where…[Read more]

      • There is a huge difference between disallowing those who are attacking your person and those who disagree with you and I think you know that.

      • mrmisconception

        Making a Manichean argument then accusing your opponent of thinking in black and white is not going to get you the ‘Good Faith’ award for argument.

        You are either for the arbitrary imposition of speech into whatever space the speaker feels the need to speak in or you’re not. Since you are arguing for the former I’d call you…[Read more]

      • Interesting, you have just called me a hypocrite for making an argument I didn’t make and then said that I accused my opponents (believing that to be you perhaps?) of thinking in black and white. I actual said that things aren’t black and white so I’m really not sure what you’re on about with that.

        Could you please show where I said that site…[Read more]

        • mrmisconception: “Could you please show where I said that site owners do not have the right to remove comments?”

          Could you please show me where I said that you said that? Don’t put words in my mouth and don’t build straw men to topple because you can’t defend your own arguments. If you can’t be bothered to check to see if what you are writing…[Read more]

      • Snort.. Yeah, real convenient for you – you have no F-ing clue, at all, what I know, or may have expertise on, where, or what I have ever posted, what sort of comments I normally make, or even if, other than in this one case, I would be in total agreement of you, but.. because I disagree with your absurd assertion that post deletions, especially…[Read more]

        • “you have no F-ing clue, at all, what I know, or may have expertise on…”

          Irrelevant. I didn’t even insinuate that you’re not the smartest person in the room, rather I inferred and wrote that you do, in fact, have a clue. What I suggested was that you’re asking for a world where you can shove your opinions on everybody, just like the Jesus…[Read more]

      • variable – Wow, so you’ve called me a hypocrite (or the more passive/aggressive “I’d call you a hypocrite if I thought you were actually taking the time to think these things out”), said I put words in your mouth, and threw out the “I wins the internet” trump card of straw man; you are projecting big time here.

        I made a comment about how I f…[Read more]

      • Irrelevant. I didn’t even insinuate that you’re not the smartest person in the room, rather I inferred and wrote that you do, in fact, have a clue. What I suggested was that you’re asking for a world where you can shove your opinions on everybody, just like the Jesus guy.

        So.. You intentionally interpreted what I said in the worst possi…

        [Read more]

        • You’ve gone from my objection to this: “I have never been comfortable with any place that opted to delete someone else’s words, regardless of what those words are,” to saying I “intentionally interpreted what I said in the worst possible way you could,” even though every example I gave falls explicitly under the umbrella of your s…[Read more]

      • I didn’t change my stance at all. You, right from the start, misinterpreted my meaning.

        • Kagehi, Feb 1: “Because of this, I have never been comfortable with any place that opted to delete someone else’s words,”

          Kahegi Feb 7: “I am not “uncomfortable” with people doing such a thing,”

          You bring considerable heft to an intellectual discussion Comrade Kagehi.

      • In fact, you still don’t get my meaning. I am not “uncomfortable” with people doing such a thing, I think its morally repugnant that they do so.

      • Well, gosh, I changed my statement from “uncomfortable” to “morally repulsed by”.. I am so sorry for failing to be clear about it… What was you point again, because… it seemed to be accusing me of wanted to force feed others opinion, when my objection was that some people deny, with every method at their disposal, the existence of anyone with…[Read more]

  • kagehi posted a new activity comment 3 years, 10 months ago

    You know.. I can’t see the value of a “zombie” plague to cure people of this sort of stupidity, but… if anything like it was possible, I could sure go for like someone accidentally releasing Lyc-V, then these idiots deciding that “their kid would never possibly be turned into a werewolf from a bite, so I don’t need to vaccinate them for that,…[Read more]

  • kagehi posted a new activity comment 3 years, 10 months ago

    Just saying.. Beware your personal research isn’t just biased, but dead wrong. Me.. I will go with the recommendations made by health experts, when I can actually get at that information. So, so, soooo much of what is out there is **not** from actual nutritionists. Even the food pyramid, and its replacement, are **both** political, as much as…[Read more]

  • kagehi posted a new activity comment 3 years, 10 months ago

    Nope. Not at all interested. I don’t take challenges where my own flawed perceptions can derail the outcomes. Doctors are not allowed to use placebo, save in dire cases, like wars, where there is literally no option but either give someone hope, or see them die, because the same mental manipulation that can make someone better can make them worse.…[Read more]

    • Wow. My claim is that I observed empirically significant evidence (p < .01) that there was a difference between organic products used vs. non-organic. Of only anecdotal note do I subjectively state that I also feel better. I openly recognize my single experience may not be representative and may be flawed due to personal contamination, hence my…[Read more]

    • Just saying.. Beware your personal research isn’t just biased, but dead wrong. Me.. I will go with the recommendations made by health experts, when I can actually get at that information. So, so, soooo much of what is out there is **not** from actual nutritionists. Even the food pyramid, and its replacement, are **both** political, as much as…[Read more]

  • kagehi posted a new activity comment 3 years, 10 months ago

    Thing is.. Organic, because it doesn’t produce nice clean crops, so to speak, has to be more picky about what is put on the shelf. Its plausible that just simply picking out the fruit, vegetables, etc. that are less bruised, because its easier to see which ones are in organic crops **may** mean that certain negative characteristics that do effect…[Read more]

    • Absolutely, my personal discovery does not justify the organic movement and although I used scientific devices and procedures as part of my experience, it’s clearly not without possible error, bias, etc. Hence I’m collaborating with a colleague to conduct some formalized research.

      But, given that the challenge *is* backed by a 60-day…[Read more]

      • Nope. Not at all interested. I don’t take challenges where my own flawed perceptions can derail the outcomes. Doctors are not allowed to use placebo, save in dire cases, like wars, where there is literally no option but either give someone hope, or see them die, because the same mental manipulation that can make someone better can make them worse.…[Read more]

        • Wow. My claim is that I observed empirically significant evidence (p < .01) that there was a difference between organic products used vs. non-organic. Of only anecdotal note do I subjectively state that I also feel better. I openly recognize my single experience may not be representative and may be flawed due to personal contamination, hence my…[Read more]

        • Just saying.. Beware your personal research isn’t just biased, but dead wrong. Me.. I will go with the recommendations made by health experts, when I can actually get at that information. So, so, soooo much of what is out there is **not** from actual nutritionists. Even the food pyramid, and its replacement, are **both** political, as much as…[Read more]

      • Please elaborate on what differences were measured, how they were measured, and what statistical process was used to arrive at a p <0.01 significance level.

      • My claim is that I observed empirically significant evidence (p < .01)

        Second person asking: how was this measured?

      • 3rd person asking… How do you derive statistically significant data from a study of 1 person?

        • but-but-but! he observed some anecdotal evidence! no confirmation bias here, no sir.

        • “I coupled the 10 days with precise scientific measurements of my body for months before and after the 10 days and less scientifically my own perceptions.”

          And measuring what, exactly? And with what instruments?

        • 4th person asking: Wouldn’t p for an n=1 study be around .5? In other words, a crapshoot?

        • 5th person asking, and please also verify whether the “10-day Celebrity Transformation” you speak of is the multi level marketing scheme produced by Purium Health that is marketed as a cleanse and really has nothing to do with organics?

          Skepticism is a pain in the ass when you’re trying to sell stuff isn’t it?

        • “Formalized research” — that’s what Joshua Smith called his “challenge”. LOL

        • Do we have a meme now? 😉

    • There’s also the opposite, the ‘nocebo’ effect, which has actually been responsible for the deaths of otherwise healthy people:

      http://io9.com/how-the-nocebo-effect-can-trick-us-into-actually-dyin-1681746203

      How our perceptions influence our biology is fascinating and strange as fiction.

  • kagehi posted a new activity comment 3 years, 10 months ago

    Well, I honestly don’t know how many alti med types are in congress, but it takes three to tango in this country, so regardless of the Senate decision to come up with the SOP act, to protect vitamin companies from having the FDA actually verify what is safe to take (the rest is just a nasty side effect), it had to pass congress **and** be signed…[Read more]

  • kagehi posted a new activity comment 3 years, 11 months ago

    Maybe.. But even in the US, people have done some pretty damn stupid things for “fad” purposes and ignorance, and there is always the damn Congress and Senate to get involved, so.. even if most of the US is sane about it, the government did pass the Snake Oil Protection Act, and create part of this vast “alternative medicine/food supplement”…[Read more]

  • kagehi posted a new activity comment 3 years, 11 months ago

    Except.. As I said, its already happening. This isn’t some case of, “Will I pick a few GMO products to have on my shelf, or go all non-GMO?”, its a case of public paranoia, where even otherwise sane people are listening to the nuts. Its… douching, or the vitamin craze, etc. Its something that has coopted most of the public imagination about what…[Read more]

    • What you are saying is true perhaps in Europe but it is really just the crunchy granola crowd that is hung up on it here in the US.

      What I do find disheartening is the amount of otherwise rational skeptic that seem buy the whole “it hasn’t been tested” line of BS. Those same people would see right through Pascal’s wager but when it comes to…[Read more]

    • Maybe.. But even in the US, people have done some pretty damn stupid things for “fad” purposes and ignorance, and there is always the damn Congress and Senate to get involved, so.. even if most of the US is sane about it, the government did pass the Snake Oil Protection Act, and create part of this vast “alternative medicine/food supplement”…[Read more]

    • The whole point of this article is basically that the FDA is not getting involved, that is why there is a private company certifying these labels.

      As to the senate embracing alt med, it is appalling I agree. But least you think the entire congress is overrun by woo merchants let me tell you how that happened. Tom Harkin was a Democratic…[Read more]

    • Well, I honestly don’t know how many alti med types are in congress, but it takes three to tango in this country, so regardless of the Senate decision to come up with the SOP act, to protect vitamin companies from having the FDA actually verify what is safe to take (the rest is just a nasty side effect), it had to pass congress **and** be signed…[Read more]

  • kagehi posted a new activity comment 3 years, 11 months ago

    My frustration with this whole thing though is that even “voluntary” is stupid, if the only criteria is, “is it GMO?”, and not what the hell that means, or was done to it. The best example I have seen, recently, was the article posted on potatoes – the non-GMO ones contain a carcinogenic chemical, which *may*, we don’t really know, contribute to…[Read more]

    • I agree, the labeling is misleading. Even if it’s voluntary, it’s a perceived advantage and companies will do anything to make a profit.

      • Perhaps, but there’s a point for pragmatism. I know we can’t stop “no GMOs” labels, and for a certain type of mind “You’ve been eating this stuff for 20 years.” is not reassuring.

    • It might make more sense if they were labelled individually; like E numbers, you could have G numbers.

      Each with its own set of (marginal) pros and cons – like the potatoes you mentioned.

      But it makes no sense at all to lump them all together.

    • I agree it is unnecessary scientifically, but if it makes some people feel at ease and the burden of paying for it falls on those who actually use it I see no harm. If the “health risks” are not scientific a voluntary label is the best approach.

      Remember the “Real seal”? It was a marketing ploy by dairy manufacturers to get people to trust…[Read more]

      • Except.. As I said, its already happening. This isn’t some case of, “Will I pick a few GMO products to have on my shelf, or go all non-GMO?”, its a case of public paranoia, where even otherwise sane people are listening to the nuts. Its… douching, or the vitamin craze, etc. Its something that has coopted most of the public imagination about what…[Read more]

        • What you are saying is true perhaps in Europe but it is really just the crunchy granola crowd that is hung up on it here in the US.

          What I do find disheartening is the amount of otherwise rational skeptic that seem buy the whole “it hasn’t been tested” line of BS. Those same people would see right through Pascal’s wager but when it comes to…[Read more]

        • Maybe.. But even in the US, people have done some pretty damn stupid things for “fad” purposes and ignorance, and there is always the damn Congress and Senate to get involved, so.. even if most of the US is sane about it, the government did pass the Snake Oil Protection Act, and create part of this vast “alternative medicine/food supplement”…[Read more]

        • The whole point of this article is basically that the FDA is not getting involved, that is why there is a private company certifying these labels.

          As to the senate embracing alt med, it is appalling I agree. But least you think the entire congress is overrun by woo merchants let me tell you how that happened. Tom Harkin was a Democratic…[Read more]

        • Well, I honestly don’t know how many alti med types are in congress, but it takes three to tango in this country, so regardless of the Senate decision to come up with the SOP act, to protect vitamin companies from having the FDA actually verify what is safe to take (the rest is just a nasty side effect), it had to pass congress **and** be signed…[Read more]

    • Maybe GMO’s will start to take off when they are made to benefit the consumer more. Like if there was a GM potato that when boiled tasted like it had been roasted in goosefat yet had a real low glycemic index and was high in vitamins and minerals. I’d like to see that!

      • Or maybe a rice that produces vitamin A so as to prevent blindness…

        Oh wait, that already exists but it only benefits people in those nasty third-world countries. Never mind.

        • I was being flippant because we were talking in the context of the West. Are Indian farmers embracing GMO’s with enthusiasm then?

        • Oh, I know. I was adding to your flippancy.

          As for how successful golden rice is, I’d say it looks mixed. There are still the real concerns of how Monsanto and the like operate (although they are allowing royalty free use to any farmer making less then $10,000) and the possible effects on biodiversity, but with well-meaning but misguided…[Read more]

  • kagehi posted a new activity comment 3 years, 12 months ago

    … I don’t know, at one time I would have personally freaked over the idea, even as a guy, of having a sex tape leaked. Now… I think my reaction is, “I wish I had a cause someone hated, and was female, so I could say, ‘F you, I don’t give a damn!’, and release it myself.” Now, I understand how other people might not see it that way, especially…[Read more]

  • kagehi posted a new activity comment 4 years, 2 months ago

    They make a “foam knife” as well, but its meant for doing styrofoam, and its kind of a long thin rod, attached to a soldering iron type base. It would work vastly better for this sort of foam if you could get one with a shorter rod, since the biggest pains where a) failing to let it get hot enough, and b) it being unwieldy and hard to work, due to…[Read more]

  • kagehi posted a new activity comment 4 years, 2 months ago

    Yeah, its kind of an iffy thing though. If someone actually bothers to shower, then they could claim they where compelled, even if their other option was to not shower – which brings up whole other issues, but then, some teens you can’t get to shower period, never mind after gym classes. But, yeah, my point was simply that any goal towards a more…[Read more]

  • kagehi posted a new activity comment 4 years, 2 months ago

    Because we need more ways for people to not see each other naked, not have a clue what other people look like naked, and more easily perpetuate body shame and related illnesses Jackal? Personally, I think we need the total opposite – less of the, “Not only can you hide if you want to, you are required to, because nudity = sex, and think of the…[Read more]

    • There are people who don’t mind being naked, and people who object to nudity. There are people who don’t mind being naked, but object to compulsory nudity. Nobody, to my knowledge, advocates compulsory nudity.

      I also noticed they said ’14 year olds’. Not every high school athlete is 14.

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